MUST response to reports of revived Singapore Flotation of MUFC

15 04 2012

In response to reports that the Glazers are to revive their failed attempt to float at least part of their Manchester United shareholding on the Singapore Stock Exchange and that this is a precursor to a full sale, a spokesperson for MUST - the Manchester United Supporters Trust said:

"Until we have more detail it is impossible to say with certainty what this will mean for Manchester United or its supporters. However if they are coming back with the same sort of inflated valuation and the same sort of proposal including non-voting shares then they should expect the same negative response from the market as last time.

If instead they have learned their lesson and decide to offer a substantial proportion of full voting shares at a reasonable valuation and this is a pre-cursor to a full sale then this could be enthusiastically welcomed by United supporters worldwide.

Our aim is to provide Manchester United fans with the opportunity for mass supporter participation in ownership of their club so this could well present such an opportunity and we’d urge every Manchester United supporter who cares about the club to register with the Manchester United Supporters Trust (MUST) through our website. We will provide information to supporters as soon as it is available. It is quite possible that shares will not be available to ordinary supporters and that MUST will have to provide a mechanism for supporters to buy shares.

We’d like to see at least a million Manchester United supporters sharing in ownership of their club and it is our role as the official supporters trust to try to make that possible. Supporters can register for free through www.joinmust.org for information."

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MEDIA RELEASE: Manchester United supporters challenge Joel Glazer to cut United ticket prices

11 04 2012

Manchester United ticket prices for next season are expected to be announced soon. The Manchester United Supporters' Trust (MUST) is challenging Joel Glazer to slash United's ticket prices after seeing huge rises in the early  years following their takeover meanwhile revenue has rocketed and yet net transfer spending is lower than major Premier League rivals and even some mid-table Championship teams including Hull, Blackpool and Burnley.

A spokesperson for MUST said:

"The Glazers have been responsible for more than £500 million pounds flowing out of Manchester United in fees, charges and other payments relating to their hostile takeover of our club. Meanwhile the club has actually spent less in net transfer fees than not only our main rivals in Europe and the Premier League (City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs) but also had a lower net spend since 2006 than Villa, Sunderland and Stoke.

It's worse than that though - as reported in the Guardian in January this year - in the last three years United's net transfer spend has incredibly been less than Hull City, Blackpool and Burnley. The evidence from the independently produced league table of net transfer spending can't be obscured and this will shock many United fans.

Only the incredible efforts of  Sir Alex Ferguson have allowed us to remain competitive in the Premier League - at times it feels like he is dragging the team towards a 20th League title by sheer willpower alone. However even Sir Alex's magical touch couldn't bridge that gap in Europe.

But despite Sir Alex's incredible feats it comes as a huge slap in the face for fans that in spite of the immense revenues flowing into the club there have been huge ticket price hikes for loyal fans since the Glazers' 2005 takeover.

Given this lack of squad investment while huge revenues are coming in and the Glazers have been constantly dipping into the clubs bank account, it is long overdue that the loyal supporters received a cut in their ticket prices. So today we are throwing down a challenge to Joel Glazer to cut United fans Season Ticket prices next season."


NOTES FOR EDITORS:
As confirmed by figures taken from independent site transferleague.co.uk http://bit.ly/HrSrqc Manchester United's net spend since 2006 is less than not only City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs but unbelievably also Villa, Sunderland and Stoke! This for a club which continually boasts about record turnover while extracting huge quantities of cash to cover the Glazers debt interest and bond purchases.

Furthermore as the Guardian reported in Jan 2012 http://bit.ly/HrS9Qi "the Glazers are siphoning money in such staggering quantities that, in the past three years, United's net spend is lower than that of Hull City, Blackpool and Burnley!"

David Conn reported http://bit.ly/ztm4mz in February 2012 that "the Glazer family have been responsible for £500m going out of United."

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Manchester United supporters end of season charity dinner - Saturday 5th May

30 03 2012

Manchester United supporters end of season charity dinner - Saturday 5th May

Tickets aren’t yet on sale but put this into your diary now, register for a discount code and get your group of friends together - if you can get a group of 10 for a table you get (your) seat free

Saturday 5th May - the night before the last home game of the season - Swansea(H) at The Point, Lancs CCC

Manchester United supporters end of season charity dinner in honour of James W Gibson 80 years after he saved Manchester United from extinction.

What better way to round off the season than a United fans dinner with ex-players including special guests Gordon McQueen and Jimmy Greenhoff and numerous celebrity Reds.

The evening will be hosted by Mancunian hero and all round defender of the Red faith Terry Christian

If all goes to plan, we'll be celebrating a record 20th title too and this will be the mother of all parties!

 Further details to follow - look out for your chance to register for special EARLY BIRD DISCOUNT VOUCHERS in the next email.

Terry on the Greenhoff Brothers


Terry Christian Showreel

 

Special Guest: Jimmy Greenhoff

Special Guest: Gordon McQueen
  
 
Our Host: Terry Christian
 
 
Our Spectacular  Venue:THE POINT at Lancs County Cricket Club: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 
Contact Us
MUST, Trafford House, Chester Road, Stretford, MANCHESTER M32 0RS
Office: 0161 872 3300 (24 hour answerphone)

Contact us on Twitter:
Twitter MUST official: @MU_ST
Twitter MUST CEO: @Drasdo

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MUST is the independent Manchester United Supporters' Trust, a not-for-profit organisation and an Industrial and Provident Society registered with the Financial Services Authority (30024R) under the name I-MUST Limited with offices at MUST, Trafford House, Chester Road, Stretford, MANCHESTER M32 0RS

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MUST MEDIA RELEASE RE:Football Authorities response to Football Governance Reform

09 03 2012


MUST & MUST members have been instrumental in initiating and contributing to this whole political process going back to meetings with main parties prior to the last General Election (which secured manifesto commitments) as well as the subsequent members' MP lobbying campaign which has been extremely effectve according to feedback from Westminster.
 
This was sent to media this morning ahead of Football Authorities (FA, PL, FL and National Game) response to Government recommendations on Football Reform: 
 
There is much more to do though as this is the beginning of the reform process rather than the end and we particularly want to see changes to prevent leveraged buyouts and also encourage supporter ownership and this is not sufficiently addressed in the response from the Football Authorities today.
 
In anticipation of the noon announcements by the football authorities (FA, Premier League and Football League), MUST - the Manchester United Supporters Trust has issued the following statement. We expect to provide a further response around 1pm.

"MUST welcomes the recent period of reflection undertaken recently by the English football authorities, working with the Government and other stakeholders to improve the governance of the game. The agreements we now have for a licensing system demonstrate that progress is being made.

MUST members have been monitoring developments closely, primarily hoping to redress the regulatory gaps that currently allow our own club to refuse to communicate with its own official supporters' trust and that allow its owners to continue saddling the club with the burdern of acquistion debts which have drained more then 500 million GBP out of the club in interest and fees since the Glazers took over in 2005. We are under no illusion that today's announcements will see all our concerns dealt with, but we welcome any step in the direction towards supporter engagement and sensible governance in the game.

MUST members have been conducting a concerted political campaign since prior to the last General Election, where all three main parties made manifesto commitments on reform of football. In the last two weeks alone 642 of the 650 MPs have been contacted by MUST members in their constituency urging them to promote meaningful reform with an independent FA Board and comprehensive club licensing system.

We do not see this as the end of the matter, merely the start of reforms that we will press to see evolve and develop.

Along with national bodies Supporters Direct and The FSF, as well as trusts at other clubs, we will now be formulating proposals for Government which would allow it to fulfill its Coalition Agreement commitment to 'Encourage reform of football governance rules to support the cooperative ownership of football clubs by supporters',  which remains the primary objective of MUST." 
 
 
TheFA.com - Football Authorities response on Governance http://bit.ly/xvFG6T  
 
FA to enforce stricter rules on club ownership with new independent regulator to prevent Portsmouth repeat - Telegraph http://tgr.ph/ywAF40
 
The Press Association: Independent body to monitor game http://bit.ly/xad7cc
 
New body to police ownership of English clubs | Reuters http://reut.rs/zEGy6g 
 
Further reference:
1. DCMS Select Committee report on Football Governance http://bit.ly/AioQKr
2. Government response to the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Inquiry:http://bit.ly/AFh41s
3. Supporters Direct proposals for club licensing system: http://bit.ly/AAtm0z
4. Cost of Glazers' takeover at Manchester United reaches £500m. Despite seven years of success under the Glazers' rule, United have leaked half a billion to service the debt-laden ownership. David Conn, The Guardian http://bit.ly/ztm4mz
5. Football Supporters Federation express alarm at response to select committee inquiry into sport governance of the sport - Telegraph http://tgr.ph/A88iJr

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Glazers’ greed halted Manchester United Singapore float - London Evening Standard

06 03 2012

Man Utd float could struggle...

Don’t hold your breath over Premier League champions Manchester United’s proposed £600 million flotation in Singapore, a well-informed gossip tells City Spy over lunch.

Reports blamed the delay of the partial float last year on global volatility caused by the eurozone crisis, but our man — who’s spent a great deal of time in Singapore lately talking to most of the city-state’s wealthiest individuals — says support for the float would be lukewarm at best, and pins the blame on United’s billionaire owners, the Glazer family, for sucking too much cash out of the club.
 
City Spy: ECB pumps up charidee day - City Spy - Business - Evening Standard http://bit.ly/Ajnqyq

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MEDIA RELEASE: MUFC Q2 results - Glazers have spent all of the Ronaldo money buying their own debt

21 02 2012

In response to the Manchester United Q2 financial results revealed today a Manchester United Supporters' Trust (MUST) spokesperson said:

"Manchester United revenues continue to grow strongly although costs are increasing just as quickly so pretty much negating that growth. However the key figures of interest to supporters show the Glazers have now spent every penny of the money received from the sale of Ronaldo, and more. That's now £92.8m spent on buying back their own bond debt that they loaded onto our club. So statements at the time that all of the Ronaldo money would be made available for reinvestment were clearly just spin."

"Since the sale of Ronaldo (30th June 2009) net transfers (not including Ronaldo) have totalled just £90m while they have taken out of the club £225m to cover their debt payments and interest. What could the club have done with that extra £225m? Cheaper tickets for loyal fans, investing massively in the squad and stadium, developing and retaining the best youth players, competing on an equal basis with the very best teams in Europe. This is the true cost to Manchester United of the Glazers ownership."

Results available here:
http://mufplc.com/

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More encouraging noises from Westminster on Football Governance - keep up the pressure

10 02 2012

 

More encouraging noises from Westminster on reform of football. Thanks to all those members who have participated in lobbying activities over the last 2 years or so. We need to maintain the pressure.

 

Transcript from the Westminster Hall debate on Football Governance 

 

Westminster Hall - 9 February 

Football Governance

[Relevant documents: Seventh Report of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, Session 2010-12, HC 792, and the Government Response, Cm 8207.]

Motion made, and Question proposed ,That the sitting be now adjourned.—(Greg Hands.)

2.30 pm

Mr Dai Havard (in the Chair): For the benefit of people in the Public Gallery and everyone else, I should make it clear that today’s debate is about the Select Committee’s report entitled “Football Governance”, which makes recommendations to the Government, and the Government have responded. Both documents are available for hon. Members. I hope that we have a constructive discussion. I call the Chair of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee to introduce the debate.

Mr John Whittingdale (Maldon) (Con): It is a pleasure to speak under your chairmanship, Mr Havard, and to have the opportunity to discuss the Select Committee’s report on football governance. This was a substantial inquiry by the Committee. It is worth remembering why the Committee decided that this was an important issue that deserved examination. There were two reasons, the first of which was the clear commitment given by both the parties that now form the coalition Government. It was clear that action needed to be taken, particularly to assist and encourage supporters to have greater involvement in the ownership and running of football clubs. That commitment appears plainly in the coalition agreement, although it was perhaps slightly less clear on precisely how it should be delivered. The Committee thought that it might be in a position to help the Government by taking evidence, examining that question and making recommendations.

However, this was not just about supporter involvement, although that is a very important element. It rapidly became apparent to us that there was quite significant concern among hon. Members on both sides of the House about the general state of our national game. A debate in this Chamber was extremely well attended by hon. Members, many of whom spoke up about the difficulties facing their local football clubs. There was widespread concern that something was wrong with the game. Perhaps that was best summed up by my hon. Friend the Minister, who famously described football as the “worst-governed sport” in England. I have to say that in the course of the Committee’s inquiry, we did not find much evidence to contradict what he said. However, we also found much to admire and praise about English football. There is no question but that it arouses huge passions up and down the country.

As I said, this was a substantial inquiry. We received more than 100 submissions of evidence. We held eight oral evidence sessions, to hear from every component part of the game. The Committee went on a number of

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visits. We went to Manchester City football club to see the huge investment that has taken place under its new owners. They have taken the club from the bottom levels to the top levels of the premier league. We went to Arsenal to see the Emirates stadium and to meet the management there. We held oral evidence sessions at Wembley stadium and Burnley football club. We also went to Germany. Looking at Germany’s model of licensing football clubs was a particularly influential part of our inquiry. It made quite an impact on the Committee.

I will not go through the whole report in detail, because many hon. Members are present and want to contribute and I hope that most of them have already read the report and are familiar with our findings.

Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme) (Lab): Will the hon. Gentleman give way before he goes into the report?

Mr Whittingdale: I will of course give way to my colleague on the Committee.

Paul Farrelly: I apologise that I cannot stay for the whole debate because of constituency engagements. Does the Chairman of the Select Committee agree that the centrepiece of the report is the recommendation that the Football Association reassert its role as the sport’s ultimate governing body—in particular, through a licensing system, which he has just mentioned, and a modern, effective form of governance that would not allow, for example, the FA to be bounced into a naive renegotiation of the England manager’s contract as it was?

Mr Whittingdale: The hon. Gentleman—he is really a friend on the Committee—encapsulates the report in a couple of sentences very well. I am almost tempted to say that he has done my job for me and finished my speech. Yes, there is no question but that we felt that at the heart of the reforms that were necessary was the game’s governance structure: ultimately, the FA. I will go on to talk about that in more detail. I did not intend to talk at great length about the management of the England football team, although that is obviously a matter of great interest and debate today. I heard the Minister’s remarks during Culture, Media and Sport questions a few hours ago, and I entirely agreed with him. I am sure that the matter will crop up again during the debate.

Before I move to the report’s main recommendations, I want to pay tribute to three people. The first two were our expert advisers: Christine Oughton and Rick Parry, who provided enormously helpful experience and wise advice to the Committee. We relied a lot on their input throughout our inquiry.

The third person to whom I should pay tribute, particularly in a debate on football governance, is our late colleague on the Committee, Alan Keen. [Hon. Members: “Hear, hear.”] Alan was the senior member of the Committee. He was a member of it before I became Chairman. Football was his passion. He chaired the all-party group on football. He was very—I am tempted to say keen—eager that we should embark on this inquiry. It was a great sadness to us that, because of his illness, he was not able to play as great a part in the

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inquiry as he would have liked. He is certainly greatly missed. It is only right in a debate on football that we pay tribute to him.

Some people asked why the Committee was looking at football at all, because it is a huge success in many respects. The Premier League is probably the most successful in the world. It has an average attendance of 350,000 people each weekend and about 92% occupancy. The second league—the Football League—gets average attendances of 375,000. Some £2 billion of revenue comes into the Premier League. There is no question but that the top English clubs are watched not just throughout this country, but in almost every country in the world. It is hard to go into a bar in any country and not see a screen in the corner showing the premier league. To that extent, it is hugely successful. There were those who said, “In that case, why are you bothering to spend this time looking at it? Why don’t you go off and look at other things?” But we found that there was widespread concern about the underlying state of the game. That was felt right across football and among followers of football.

Despite the huge revenues that come in, very few clubs trade profitably. The main reason for that is the extraordinary amount of money paid out on players’ salaries. The consequence is that debt has become an enormous problem throughout the game. Debt kept coming up as one of the principal issues causing concern. More than half of Football League clubs have gone into administration at some stage since 1992, and all operate on very narrow margins. The net debt of the Premier League clubs is £2.6 billion. Some people would say that that in itself may not be a problem. Indeed, there will be clubs that operate with quite significant debt, but as long as they can service that debt and trade, it is not necessarily something that need be addressed immediately. However, there is no question but that the debt is a major issue. We were told by the chairman of the Football League, for instance, that it was the issue that kept him awake at night.

There is also concern about ownership, which is not wholly dissociated from the question of debt. That, too, was something that we considered. As the hon. Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Paul Farrelly) suggested, we decided that if we were to address the problem, the most important thing that needed to be tackled was governance. Therefore, we wanted to establish, right from the start—this may seem self-evident, but it was not necessarily self-evident—that the FA is the ruling body of football. The FA therefore needs to be reformed if we are to get this right.

Some years ago, Lord Burns produced an extremely good report, which made a number of recommendations for reform. When we heard from him, some of his recommendations had been accepted. They included the incorporation of the FA chairman and chief executive on to the FA board, but they were still waiting to bring on the two independent non-executive directors. Progress, I believe, has been made since then.

Terry Burns told us that, if anything, he felt that he had been too timid and that he would have liked to have gone further in involving non-executive directors. Indeed, we heard from one former chief executive of the FA that he wanted an entirely independent, non-executive

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FA board. We felt that that was not wholly realistic. We were also clear that, as in most corporate structures, the board needed to be relatively streamlined to be effective.

After some debate, we decided to recommend that the right size for the FA board was 10, and that it should include the chairman and chief executive of the FA, the two non-executives and two more of the FA executive directors—in particular, the director of football development. Alongside them, we decided that there should be two representatives of the professional game—presumably one from the Premier League and one from the Football League—and two representatives of the national game. Although we understood the reasons why others, such as supporters, players and managers, wanted representations, we felt that that could make the board unwieldy. Therefore, we felt that we had come up with the right composition.

At the same time, we also felt that there needed to be reform of the FA council, which is an extraordinary and enormous body. It dates back many years to include representatives from Oxford and Cambridge, the three separate services and the public schools, but very few representatives of players and people who actually watch football. We therefore felt that that was something that needed to be addressed. We were also slightly concerned that the meetings started at 11 o’clock and finished at lunchtime and that some of the members of the FA council seemed to have been there for 50 years or more. We felt that there was a need to address the composition of the council, the tenure of its membership and the form of its meetings. We felt very strongly that the council should be a parliament and not an executive decision-making body.

Once those governance reforms are in place, we will be able to move forward to tackle some of the underlying difficulties affecting the game. I have talked about debt, so the next is financial management. We welcomed the introduction of UEFA’s new financial fair play rules, which will affect those clubs that have ambitions to play in European matches. We felt that the principles underlying the financial fair play rules were absolutely right; they commanded a lot of support and should be applied throughout football.

One aspect of the financial management of clubs that caused considerable concern to the Committee was the football creditors’ rule. I have absolutely no doubt that my hon. Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Damian Collins) may talk about that a little more, because he particularly pursued that issue during our discussions. Although we could see the reasons why that rule was in place, we felt that it was unfair on creditors, as they were often small firms in local communities that had supported the local team. If that team gets into difficulty and goes into administration, they have to go to the back of the queue after all the football creditors before having their debts paid. We felt that that was unfair, and I am sure that my hon. Friend will say more about that.

One aspect that I have taken a long-standing interest in and that still creates significant potential difficulties is the ruling of the European Court on broadcasting rights and territorial sales, the full implications of which we are still waiting to see. It could have a very damaging effect and it is of concern not just to certain broadcasters but to a large number of people involved in football.

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As for how we enforce the financial fair play rules and the other necessary changes, we were impressed by what we saw in Germany. Germany has a licensing model and we saw the way in which it was used to ensure that the clubs do not trade beyond their means for long periods. We saw how they were required to follow certain rules specified by the Bundesliga. We decided that if we were to achieve our changes, we needed a national licensing scheme. The best body to administer that is clearly the FA. Therefore, the other main thrust of our recommendations was that we should move to a licensing scheme under the FA, which should address issues such as the financial management of the game, the sale of stadiums, investment in youth development and all the other areas where, understandably, concerns have been raised. It could also address ownership.

Foreign ownership in the game is not necessarily a bad thing. After we saw what Sheikh Mansour had done in Manchester City, we could understand why the fans had great banners up saying, “Long live Sheikh Mansour.” However, there are other who are less committed to the development of clubs. We also felt that the fit and proper person test, which is necessary, had not always been as effective as it might have been. Indeed, we debated long and hard about what someone had to do to fail the fit and proper person test in English football.

Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster) (Con): My hon. Friend is talking sense on the fit and proper person test which seems to be honoured more in its breach. Going back to overseas ownership, does he feel that there should be a different regime for football clubs compared with the rest of the UK economy? If so, how does he see that operating?

Mr Whittingdale: The truth is there will be different regimes governing the ownership of football clubs. For this particular aspect, a slightly different regime should apply. I am not against the principle of foreign ownership. Just as I do not have a kneejerk response to foreign ownership in football, the same is true of the wider economy. To some extent, there are special factors, but I am not opposed to overseas ownership per se.

Let me pay one word of tribute. When the Committee visited Burnley FC, we were well entertained by the chairman of the club, Barry Kilby. In many ways, he represents all that is best about local ownership. He was a business man who had been successful in his community and had put back a huge amount into Burnley FC. His passion for the club was undoubted. Therefore, a strong local owner can bring great benefits.

Paul Farrelly: Will the Committee Chairman extend the same compliments to Peter Coates, who is chairman of Stoke City? The Chairman may be aware that I have been supporter of the club since I was five years old.

Mr Whittingdale: I am very happy to pay the same tribute to Peter Coates. As an aside, let me say that the rest of the Committee used to enjoy having a sweepstake on how long it would take the hon. Gentleman to mention Stoke City during our deliberations. I am glad that he has done so today.

The issue that I want to finish on is the one that we set out to address, which is that of supporter ownership and involvement. It is a crucial factor, and the Government

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are right to say that it should be encouraged. It is unrealistic to say that the top Premier League clubs are likely to be owned by their supporters, but there are some clubs lower down that are already supporter owned and more should be done to help supporters’ trusts that want to become owners. For example, there was some concern about the way in which the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 operates. It causes difficulties for supporters, and we thought that the Government might address that. We thought that when supporters’ trusts have minority stakes, there might be some merit in giving them protection, so that if a club is acquired and the 90% threshold is reached, they are not necessarily forced to give up their ownership to the new owner. There are several areas where we would like clubs if not formally to give a role to supporters, to involve them much more in decision making and with information.

One club that we visited, and whose supporters are extremely involved through the fanshare scheme, is Arsenal. When the Minister came before us, I raised the fact that Arsenal’s new owner had not then given a public commitment to support the fanshare scheme. My understanding is that he has still not done that, and I think the Minister said that he might encourage him to do so. That is an example of an active supporters’ organisation and how it can play a valuable role if the club ownership recognises it.

Mr Nigel Dodds (Belfast North) (DUP): I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman’s Committee for the work that it has done in this area. The recommendation for a fan liaison officer is a good idea. Supporters up and down the land are crying out for that. Can the Chairman of the Committee offer any hope that that might be made to happen?

Mr Whittingdale: I think that that is a matter more for my hon. Friend the Minister than for me, but I certainly agree that it is something to be encouraged, and that fan liaison officers can play a valuable role. I am sure that my hon. Friend will touch on that.

I thank the Minister for the Government’s extremely positive response to the report. He could not have done more to make it clear that they want its recommendations to be implemented. I think he and I take the same view that it is not desirable for the Government to legislate, but that the matter is so important that if that is what must happen, it will happen. I hope that we will not come to that, and he may be able to say a little more about the state of discussions. He made it clear today that the deadline of 29 February is still in place, and I hope that all those involved in football who may listening this afternoon will be spurred on to ensure that the sort of reforms that we think are necessary are achieved by that deadline.

Mr Dai Havard (in the Chair): Order. Given the number of hon. Members who wish to speak and the time constraint, Members should estimate to speak for 10 minutes, and plan do so for eight minutes.

2.52 pm

Steve Rotheram (Liverpool, Walton) (Lab): That is a tall order, Mr Havard. It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon. I was not a member of the Select Committee at the time of the inquiry into

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football governance, but it is reasonable to argue from the tone of the Committee’s report and the Government’s response that the topic has been debated in a good spirit, and I wish to continue that. I am in the unique and fortunate position of being the only Member of Parliament to have two Premier League football clubs in my constituency—Everton and Liverpool. I cut my parliamentary teeth leading a well-attended Westminster Hall debate on this very issue way back in September 2010.

Before I begin my speech in earnest, I want to take the opportunity to echo the comments by the Chair of the Select Committee about Alan Keen, and to send my condolences and, I am sure, those of right hon. and hon. Members on both sides of the Chamber to the families of the 75 supporters who were killed recently at a football stadium in Egypt. No matter which club we support, we are all part of the wider football family, and that loss is a football tragedy as well as a human one.

Football is one of our country’s undoubted successes, and we are the home of the beautiful game. We are also the home of the best and most competitive leagues in the world. Children from around the globe are dreaming about the chance to play football at Wembley, the Emirates stadium, Stamford Bridge, Goodison Park, Anfield, and perhaps even Old Trafford. Wealthy tycoons are dreaming of the Premier League promised land. They are attracted to English football as a way of investing their money and seeing the best players in the world play for their clubs to an extent not seen in other countries.

Despite the merits of other leagues such as the Bundesliga, La Liga, Ligue Une and Serie A, it is the Premier League and even the championship that attracts international investors, because they continue to offer the best that football has. Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan are the only two owners with an unlimited pot of money, and who are capable of injecting copious amounts into their respective clubs. Today, some clubs, such as Tottenham, are plcs and listed on the stock market. Others, such as Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Blackburn and Sunderland, are owned by professional sport investors. Others seem to be owned for the prestige—for example, Fulham, which is owned by Mohammed al Fayed. My hon. Friend the Member for Rutherglen and Hamilton West (Tom Greatrex) may speak about that.

However, some takeovers reinforce the point that football clubs are simply economic entities to be bought and sold like any other commodity, which completely neglects the broader social impact that clubs have in their local communities and beyond. The result for many clubs in recent times has been to chart a course that is perilously close to the brink. Portsmouth, which I think we will also hear about, ran up debts totalling £119 million, and it is still far from fiscal safety. Southend United and Cardiff City recently managed to pay their debts just before the taxman’s axe was wielded. Several other clubs have suffered administration, such as Southampton, Darlington, Crystal Palace, Wimbledon, Hornchurch and Scarborough. Leeds United, which was probably the biggest victim of all, was allowed to play in the Football League despite no one knowing who owned the club.

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In 2009, the all-party group on football found that the group most under-represented in the game was those who should have the most say—the fans. One of the biggest problems with football governance is that at most levels of the game those who pay for it are excluded from the decision-making structures in clubs, leagues and even governing bodies. In pursuit of a global phenomenon, which we have achieved with the Premier League, we failed properly to regulate our national obsession.

I do not pretend that there is a simple answer, but a major problem that needs to be addressed is the fit-and-proper-person test, to which the Chair of the Select Committee has referred. It is an absolute sham. If it were not, the majority of aforementioned clubs would never have been in the position they were because of owners who abused the system and played fast and loose with football clubs that are the pillars of communities across Britain.

Mark Field: All too often, clubs in appalling financial difficulty grasp at the nearest straw like a drowning man. There may be only one individual who can save the club, but they may not pass the fit-and-proper-person test in a meaningful way. However, if the choice is that person or the club going bust, one understands why the former choice is made, albeit one that leads to other difficulties further down the line. How does the hon. Gentleman envisage getting round that problem if the alternative is for a club to go bankrupt and to spiral out of the league, as has happened to several former league clubs in recent years?

Steve Rotheram: That is exactly the point, and I am sure that my hon. Friend the Member for Hyndburn (Graham Jones) will talk about his beloved football club, and the fact that that happens too often for the problem not to be tackled. That is exactly what the Select Committee set out to do—to consider what recommendations we could suggest on a non-party political basis to ensure that the football authorities have to take cognisance of such issues, and include football fans in the governance of their football teams.

We cannot pretend that one size fits all, because it does not. We need a proactive approach to redress the imbalance in football governance, an imbalance that has seen some owners and directors of football clubs using them like playthings that can be thrown aside when they become bored, while the fans—the lifeblood of any club—are pushed further and further away from the decision-making process. A more inclusive approach would probably not be universally popular among football’s elite. Indeed, I spoke to one senior representative of a football club who said that he did not want the lunatics to run the asylum. I am a bit fed up with seeing fans given the rough end of the stick. They are treated by some club owners as an irritant or a problem, but yet they are expected to be part of the solution when those errant owners disappear, leaving the club in financial crisis.

Supporters Direct is leading a new initiative that I think deserves more focus. It builds on the ideas and recommendations made by the Committee and on the Government’s response regarding the implementation of a new licensing framework that is impartial and independent of the reformed FA board. I welcome the changes to the FA at board level.

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It is crucial that impartiality is maintained because that will ensure total transparency which, we will all agree, has been missing from the FA for some time. We must, however, give credit where it is due, and there have been welcome introductions since David Bernstein’s appointment. I hope, however, that the chairman of the FA will not rest on his laurels, and that he will do something about the current ludicrous situation that allows football managers to profit from the sale of players. Regardless of what has happened over the past 24 hours, that immorality remains, and if ever there were a conflict of interest, that is it.

There are two dimensions to the licensing framework proposed by Supporters Direct:

“Promotion of financial and social responsibility, and balancing of the supporting, commercial and social objectives of clubs.”

and

“To ensure that clubs and their assets are protected for current and future generations.”

Supporters Direct has stated:

“The framework for supporter and community engagement should provide rights for supporters on behalf of the community subject to conditions…Rights would be granted to a ‘Fit and Proper Supporters’ Trust’ for engagement with their clubs.”

The level of engagement would increase according to the degree of development of the “fit and proper” supporters’ trust. If such a measure were implemented, it would give fans a voice at the top table.

I believe that football fans would use the opportunity to nominate a trusted supporter to make informed decisions—it is the big society writ large. I am aware of some football clubs that would hold an election and offer season ticket holders, as well as club members, the opportunity to vote for a candidate on the basis of a quasi-manifesto set of pledges.

Supporters Direct has stated:

“The co-operative ownership of football clubs via supporters’ trusts thus offers huge benefits not only to the way that the game is run, but also to local communities.”

Although I recognise that there will always be a tension between financial and social returns, the football world is starting to realise that a greater balance needs to be struck. We are starting to see a yearning for the greater involvement of supporters in football governance not only in the UK, but across Europe.

Another proposal is for the reformed FA board to consider ways to increase the number of ex-footballers in boardrooms. Such a move would appease the grumblings of many fans who believe that directors are not “football people” but are out-of-touch businessmen. That is currently the case at Blackburn Rovers, a club that is rich in history and has fantastic loyal support.

Despite becoming a global phenomenon with a worldwide audience, football is not immune to external forces outside the control of its internal market. Lessons must be drawn from disasters such as the global financial crash. All bubbles have the potential to burst. Football needs a regulatory framework and a governance structure that is as transparent as reasonably practicable.

I am confident that there is the political will in the Chamber and the DCMS to make progress. I hope that that continues, and that the Minister will take on board the strength of feeling on this issue.

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Mr Don Foster (Bath) (LD): It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Havard. I know that many hon. Members wish to speak, so I will try to be brief. I welcome equally the report by the Culture, Media and Sport Committee and the Government response. We should pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Minister. He has been robust in his criticism of football’s current governance arrangements, and he has insisted on a response to those criticisms by the end of the month. I know he is confident that he will get a reply, and perhaps when he responds to the debate he will say what sort of content he expects that reply to contain.

We all accept that the English game is played to a very high standard, and we know that 8 million fans have already watched premiership games this season. Six premiership teams have taken part in the past 10 finals of the European championships, and we have fantastic football in this country. We cannot, however, say the same things about what takes place inside the boardroom, or the governance of the game, that we say about the quality of the playing. All too often, fans have to worry about issues such as debt and ownership, rather than performance on the pitch. Fans are losing out because of the ridiculously high price of a premiership season ticket, or because many of our top-flight clubs still do not have adequate facilities for disabled fans. Fans and clubs that want to introduce safe standing do not have the opportunity to do so, and many of the clubs that are lower in the league are in difficulty because they are obliged to adhere to ludicrously inappropriate rules such as those on transfer windows.

There is much to sort out. The predominant areas of concern expressed by the Committee were, quite rightly, those of money and governance.

Paul Farrelly: The right hon. Gentleman will appreciate the central role that football plays in communities because he is the Member for Bath, where rugby has a similar role. Does he agree that one key task for a governance regime in football is that of fostering a game where the finances are sustainable? People involved in the premiership, such as David Gill of Manchester United and Peter Coates of Stoke City, have broadly welcomed the thrust of the Committee’s report. It would therefore be surprising and disappointing if the FA, which has acted so decisively over the England captain and manager, did not welcome the reassertion of its role, and the means by which to do that.

Mr Foster: I hope the hon. Gentleman proves to be right and we will hear about the response on that issue that the Minister will receive. He is right to mention his concern for the sustainability of finance in football. As we heard from the Chair of the Committee, although the level of debt has been declining, in the premiership it still stands at £2.6 billion. Some 68% of its income is currently being spent on players, rather than on other important things.

If we compare the premiership with the rest of European football, we discover that the English premiership has more than 50% of the total debt held by all the leading clubs in Europe. Last season, the championship declared its highest ever level of debt at £133 million, and we know that it is spending about £4 for every £3 that it generates. That is not sustainable. It is vital to welcome

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UEFA’s proposals, and they will be implemented even though they will not affect all the clubs in this country. That is why the licensing proposals are so critical.

UEFA’s proposals are key. A report by Deloitte published today reflects much of what it said in its 2011 report, and points out that although there have been a lot of false dawns, the UEFA proposals may provide the key to moving forward and to financial sustainability. As it said in its 2011 report, however,

“the more things change, the more they stay the same. While football’s revenue performance has been spectacular, sustainably managing its costs remains football’s primary business challenge.”

That is a key issue that the Select Committee’s report and the UEFA proposals seek to address, which I welcome.

I also very much welcome the proposals from the Select Committee on governance of the game. It is right that the FA be the leading body for football in this country, and it must take charge of many of the deliberations that take place in the 14 different committees. It is ludicrous that so many of them report, not to the board, but to the council. The key people making the decisions are therefore at a distance from the considerations of those various committees. The Select Committee was quite right to suggest that the board must be slimmed down. We should all welcome the moves to bring non-executives on to the board, but clearly more must be done to move forward and slim down.

Reform of the FA council itself is equally important. The Chair of the Select Committee has already made it clear how inappropriate the current arrangements are. I was interested in what Malcolm Clarke, the chairman of the Football Supporters’ Federation, said:

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MUST NEWS: Political campaign for reform of football continues at Westminster

03 02 2012


 
MUST representatives Oli Winton and Duncan Drasdo attended a Supporters Direct reception in Parliament on Wednesday, to see SD's  proposals for football club licensing being formally launched. The Government has committed to the introduction of a licensing system to improve governance in the game and has asked the football authorities to present their ideas for its precise content by the end of this month, so this was a timely event. 

Speeches were made by representatives of all the main parties as well as by William Gaillard, Advisor to the President at UEFA. It was an impressive turnout of over 30 MPs as well as SD and FSF representatives and members of many other trusts across all levels of the game. 

SD's proposals particularly focus on integrating supporters' trusts into the governance of their clubs, which MPs on all sides of the House backed. William Gaillard talked about the journey UEFA have taken towards licensing, including the introduction of Financial Fair Play, part of the new UEFA licensing criteria.

Brian Burgess, Acting Chief Executive of SD, said "We have laid down what we consider to be sensible, considered proposals, that provide a formal route for supporters' trusts to earn the right to be involved in the governance of their clubs in a constructive fashion. Today is evidence that we have wide-scale, cross-party support for a set of proposals that will actively enhance the relationship between supporters' trusts, clubs and their communities.

It was extremely encouraging to hear praise from other trusts, academics and politicians for MUST's campaign work. Sometimes it is easy to forget how much our organisation and the efforts of many of our members has achieved - especially if you listen to what some of our own fans say. Lobbying work continues on Football Governance reform before we move our focus to how the Government can fulfil its Coalition Agreement commitment to "encourage supporter ownership"

MUST report by: Oli Winton (MUST Committee Member)
Associate Director, Luther Pendragon

Links:
SD reception details:
http://bit.ly/wnbwT3

SD proposal for a comprehensive licensing system:
http://bit.ly/AAtm0z

SD report on reception:
http://bit.ly/zAh021

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IMUSA & MUST Statement re: Consultation on Policing and Stewarding of match at Anfield 28/01/12

25 01 2012

JOINT STATEMENT FROM THE INDEPENDENT MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS ASSOCIATION (IMUSA) & THE MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS’ TRUST (MUST)

Result of Consultation on Policing and Stewarding at Anfield 28/01/12 


Statement Contains:
1. Summary of consultation with Merseyside Police, Liverpool Licensing Committee and LFC, Season 2011/12 
2. Advice and information for Manchester United supporters travelling to Anfield, 28/01/12
3. Review of successes and failures of the consultation regarding allocation.
4. Review of successes and failures of the consultation regarding policing.
5. Contacts and Acknowledgements

1. Summary of consultation with Merseyside Police, Liverpool Licensing Committee and LFC, Season 2011/12 

IMUSA and MUST, in conjunction with the Football Supporters’ Federation (FSF), have met with Merseyside police, Liverpool City Council’s licensing committee and representatives of Liverpool FC on several occasions this season. The aim of this consultation has been: (1) to restore Manchester United’s ticket allocation for matches at Anfield in line with Premier League/F.A. regulations, and (2) to provide guidance and assistance to travelling MUFC fans.

Consultation between fan groups and police/clubs/licensing authorities is recommended in many of the relevant regulations and codes of best practice for the police, football authorities and clubs, and liaison with all genuine fan organisations will be increasingly important in the future (particularly with the introduction from 2013 of Supporter Liaison Officers under UEFA Licensing requirements). 

We are pleased that IMUSA and MUST have been identified as important stakeholders in this respect, and welcome the efforts of Merseyside police, LCC Licensing Committee and LFC in 2011/12 to engage in consultation. The discussions have been largely constructive, but we have not been completely successful in our aims and much progress can still be made.

 
2. Advice and information for Manchester United supporters travelling to Anfield, 28/01/12

Based on the meeting held at Merseyside Police Headquarters on 18/01/12, we are expecting the following from the police and stewarding operation for visiting Manchester United supporters on the day of the match. However fans should be aware that police operations can change depending on intelligence they receive on the day.

a) There will be no alcohol on sale in the away sections of Anfield.

b) We have been assured that increased stewarding and policing of the Anfield Road upper stand will ensure no repeat of the persistent missile-throwing that United fans had to endure the last time they visited Anfield for an FA Cup tie (in 2006).

c) There is likely to be a hold-back of United fans for about 15 minutes after the final whistle while the streets surrounding the away end are cleared of home supporters. It is unlikely that fans will have access to toilet facilities during this period.

d) It is likely that there will be a police escort from Anfield to Liverpool Lime Street following the match. This should be a voluntary escort for fans and there is no obligation to join it. The police will make a decision on the day about whether to have a (voluntary) police escort to the stadium from the station. However remember that Merseyside police do retain the power to enforce an escort upon specific groups they consider to be ‘risk’ in terms of public order.

e) There will be no parking facilities set aside for visiting fans. However, car parks near Goodison Park will be available to away fans as well as home fans. There is also street parking in that area. 


3. Review of the successes and failures of the consultation regarding allocation

We were disappointed with the decision of Liverpool’s licensing committee to reduce United’s allocation at the league game of 15/10/11 to just under 2,000. This was a decision taken on the grounds of ‘migration’ by United fans from their designated seats and the blocking of radial gangways at previous matches. Despite our representations to the licensing committee, we were unable to have this decision changed, but we were advised that if visiting fans kept gangways clear for the 15/10/11 match, then the full allocation would be restored for the subsequent match (whether league or cup). Feedback from Merseyside police following this match indicated that gangway blocking had not been a significant problem on this occasion. 

In this context, we were disappointed with the licensing committee’s decision in January to reduce our FA Cup allocation by 960 tickets to 5,300. This decision was reached without any consultation with supporter groups and was made on the basis of ongoing problems of migration and gangways blocking. Given the reported improvement in the behaviour of United fans on 15/10/11, we feel this decision was unjust. We remain of the opinion that the sale of restricted view seats at the back of Anfield Road lower (the far goal cannot be seen when fans are standing) will continue to lead to fan migration. IMUSA and MUST acknowledge that standing in gangways is a problem for safety officers and the licensing authorities as it restricts access for police and paramedics and poses a risk of crowd surges.  However we would prefer that licensing committees and Safety Advisory Groups work with supporters to identify long-term solutions rather than focussing on short-term aims and collective punishments. 

We do, however, welcome the stance of the Council and LFC towards ‘persistent standing’ in seated areas. Despite misleading media reporting, MUFC did not have their allocation reduced due to standing and we agree with the views expressed in the meetings that the issue of standing in seated areas by itself does not pose health and safety risks for supporters.

4. Review of successes and failures of the consultation regarding policing.

We have had two very promising meetings with Merseyside Police and LFC regarding MUFC’s away matches in 2011/12. We welcome the invitations to engage in consultation and would also like to thank representatives from MUFC, the FA and Greater Manchester Police for also attending. Both meetings provided us with useful information and advice that we can pass on to supporters, and reassurances with regard to policing and stewarding. The identification of supporter and police liaison individuals during the match is also a potentially useful development.

We were, however, disappointed with the content of the Merseyside Police press release (25/01/12) which we do not feel reflects the tone or content of the meetings and instead focused on the risk of negative behaviour from some fans. We believe that press releases of this nature serve no useful purpose for supporters; they do not provide helpful information or advice and can be patronising or even threatening in tone. We also do not believe that they are useful as a deterrent against any supporters who intend on becoming involved in violence or disorder. 

5. Contacts and Acknowledgements

Despite the relatively modest outcomes from the consultation on this occasion, IMUSA and MUST will continue to engage in liaison with clubs, local authorities and the police to try and ensure that MUFC fans receive a fair and equitable allocation in line with competition regulations, and are treated fairly and proportionately by police and stewards. We welcome approaches from other clubs and police forces where MUFC are playing and also welcome feedback from match-going United fans about specific or general concerns.

We would like to thank Amanda Jacks from the Football Supporters Federation (www.fsf.org.uk) and Dale Haslam from Redsaway (www.redsaway.com) for their assistance in this consultation process.

IMUSA is the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association and campaigns on issues such as ticketing, safe standing, atmosphere and governance. IMUSA also gives help and advice to individual members and will act on their behalf when in dispute with the club or authorities. Contact - www.imusa.org; e-mail: comms@imusa.org 

MUST is the independent Manchester United Supporters’ Trust. It is campaigning for a meaningful supporter ownership stake in MUFC and represents over 175,000 members.
Contact: www.joinmust.org; e-mail: matchgoingreds@joinmust.org 

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Comments from full member consultation on MUST employees

03 01 2012

 

In the interests of continued transparency we are publishing below ALL the comments (both for and against) so far received from Full Members in the online consultation exercise. There is clearly overwhelming support for the Board's proposals - full details of the figures (numbers and %) will be published when the consultation closes.

 

These are all the comments received so far and are unedited except to remove personal identification information: 

 

Long overdue and in my view essential to progressing the organisation.

 

Provided any MUST member levy to pay said person/people is within reason.

 

We pay in money for the eventual purchase from those Yanks, so any losses towards costs must be minimal. Yes to staff, but not many please.

 

Just stunning you have got so far on pure volunteer work!

 

Strongly agree. But will inevitably lead to additional costs/investment  if CEO wants to/ is asked to achieve specific targets. Fund-raising part of role - but shouldn't dominate.

 

I would change my mind if there looked a realistic possibility of there being a chance of owning the whole/part of Man U.  At the moment it looks years away and increasing our costs may not in my view solve this.

 

absolutely no problem with this proposal, its a credit that there aren't already paid employees.

 

Obviously provided the finances are acceptable

 

I have noticed that the organization is growing rapidly and the succeed with further plans, paid employees are a must in these situations however maybe on a temp basis? xxxxxx

 

About bloody time! Dunc has done sterling work and it's high time he's paid for it

 

The salary offered to the CEO should be reasonable but not excessive. As regards employing a graduate intern, I do not approve of exploitation of young graduates. The graduate should be paib a proper salary commensurate with their qualification.    xxxxxxx

 

WHAT LEVEL OF BASIC SALARY IS PROPOSED  AND INCENTIVES SHOULD BE CAPPED

 

Long overdue by the sound of it!

 

I agree that in order to adopt a more professional approach going forward it is essential to have paid employees. Achieving the correct balance between salaried staff and voluntary contribution is key to the future success of the organisation.    Appropriate remuneration for Duncam Drasdo is long overdue.    Yours sincerely    Txxxxxxx

 

If it will help the cause move forward and continue the fight to get the yanks out I our club then yes most definatly! I would  be willing to help the fight in Belfast if possible.   xxxxx

 

I am pleased to give you 100% support.  Thank you for all your hard work.

 

Re the proposal for one or more graduate interns (below). Whilst pay might be considered less important than the value of the work experience for the individual/s appointed, I would be FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST unpaid or expenses-only internships, as has become the norm in politics, PR, charities, and many large companies lately. These rule out many of the young graduates who most need such experience - not having the right connections to find internships (or jobs) easily, but unable to afford to work for nothing. (Incidentally, I am a retired company director, so have no personal interest in the problem - but much past experience of graduate recruitment.) xxxxxxxx

 

experience etc in campaigning using facebook,twitter etc    use prper recruitment procedures i.e person spec and essential and desirable requirements and equal opportunities i. ensure gender race etc monitored from application form- if i can help with this please ask as i worked in discrimination issues especially in emloyment    best wishes  xxxxx

 

Thank you for allowing me a voice in this process. It is much appreciated. Whilst I am sure there is justification for paid employees to be taken on I would be glad to receive further information on the employment plans.   It is not clear to me whether the membership will have sight of the job description, or not. In a continued spirit of transparency, which, admirably, you seem to have adopted, I would be interested in receiving more information as the plans to take on employees develop. I hope you get the support needed to proceed.  Many thanks  xxxxxxx

 

The level of remuneration should reflect the dedication and professionalism Duncan has brought to bear during this protracted campaign.  In principle, I fully endorse and support this course of action 100%.

 

I approve on the basis that the renumeration is not in any way excessive. I would not like to see MUST become an organisation that constantly needs to raise funds just to pay salaries.

 

An organisation such as MUST can only take the next step on the ladder to true global growth if it pays key employees. I certainly support the principal of part of my subscription going towards remuneration of employees.

 

I hope that all positions other than Duncan's will be filled by an open and transparent process.  As for the internship we should be paying the NMW if s/he is a worker.  Otherwise perhaps we should seek a contract for services.  I am happy to explain why I say this but you do NOT HAVE to ring me unless these are unclear.

 

This is a positive way forward.

 

By all means Keep Duncan Drasdo his commitment is awesome there is nothing wrong in paying him so he can give all his energies to the cause.

 

Suitable controls shold be put in now to prevent abuse in the future as staff / volunteers will change over time.

 

It's about time Duncan got paid. 12 years withought pay is way beyond the call of duty.

 

2 points:  a) the graduate internship should be properly remunerated - no-one should be expected to work for nothing more than the opportunity (patronising attitude) to acquire work experience   b) I would not be happy with a pay structure which included bonuses - if this is what "incentive based component" means

 

as long as the wage that is given is showen to the members and is open to anyone with the credentials to do the job

 

I feel pretty unhappy that we haven't done this years ago.  The sooner the better.  See message below.

 

This is long overdue!

 

I dont know the size of your funds and any yearly profit figures are these available to each member. If so can you e-mail xxxxxxx

 

Having met Duncan for several times and read his media reviews I am wholeheartedly a supporter of this proposal.

 

Only no more than minimum wage.

 

WE MUST INSURE THE PEOPLE WE EMPLOY EVEN PAID MUST HAVE THE INTEREST OF THE CAUSE FIRST AND FOREMOST.

 

Ansolutely against any move away from a voluntary organisation setting out to achieve the agreed objectives to one which will inevitably become a diffrerent one with paid people pursuing personal goals.

 

As I started reading the proposal, my first instinct was to question whether a cost/benefit analysis has been undertaken to determine whether the appointments would have, firstly, a positive impact on the campaign and, secondly, whether any such positive impact would result in a positive, or at least, zero, net cost to the organisation. As I read on, I realised that these matters had been clearly considered and that the committee has made a reasoned decision in this matter. To be honest, I really don't know why I was concerned, MUST is the most professionally run volunteer organisation I have ever belonged to and the committee deserves all the support the membership can provide for us to attain our ultimate goals. It is probably overdue that we take this next, important, step in the growth of our organisation.    From:  xxxxxxxx

 

I'm 100 % confident, you'll find the right decision

 

As the Bible says, 'The labourer is worthy of his hire'. Good idea.

 

It will come at some time.

 

I agree that it is high time to compensate a paid stay, and Duncan, for all the work they do supporting MUST.  I wholeheartedly approved of this motion.    xxxxxx, Virginia, United States

 

I agree but from where is the cost covered?

 

I think it is a brilliant idea.

 

As some of the less high profile events i have attended such as game screenings in the must marquee , have gone somewhat wrong or bean disorganised . Totally agree now is the time to show that we are serious and profesional in our events and desire to rid the club of the glazier family . xxxxxxx

 

This was supposed to be a joint high interest account for money to be put in order if the club was up for sale the supporters would own a part.  If the board get paid, where does that money come from? With power and high pay comes corrupt people who couldnt care about football clubs or their supporters.  Look at Blackburn Rovers for example.

 

Maintaining the high standard is important.  Of course it makes sense to take on paid employees.

 

Conditional on any remuneration package being realistic and appropriate

 

i do not oppose this ,as long as these positions do not adversely effect the financial stability of the organisation

 

subject to satisfactory funding in place to pay for the position

 

It's about bloody time Duncan got paid that's for sure.  Having paid employees will only enhance the MUST organisation.

 

hi i trust you guys to do the best for united .keep the faith     best regards  xxxxxxxx

 

What ever is best for the club to drive it on and if that means paying Duncan Drasdo well I'm happy with that even if it means a change in the membership fee.

 

You want to make it big, gotta do it professionally :)

 

It sets the wrong precedent for ALL of the volunteers.

 

The only proviso is that there is no mention of the amount to be paid; therefore I do support this proposal but really would need to know the outlay before full support can be given.

 

This seems a very sensible move and I approve wholeheartedly.

 

I'm happy for paid employees at least for the key people and cover expenses for the rest.

 

I would like to know what the remuneration package would be, assuming you go ahead, of the CEO. There should certainly be an incentive based element, but do not set it too low, as this could be seen to be counter productive. I believe a paid CEO and one other paid employee is adequate.    xxxxxxxxxx

 

I believe the best person for the job should be put in post, not purely based on ones passion for the cause even though that should be one of the main criteria.

 

I assume that any costs would be funded from the subscriptions & donations rather than any funds that are ear marked for taking back United. What uplift in subscriptions & donations would be needed to fund the CEO & new roles.

 

I don't know how you have managed to run such a professional organisation without having paid employees. I think it is about time we had them. Also Duncan is worth every penny he has not been getting - now it is time to give him something.

 

As long as the money for the salaries won't be taken from any member's fund.

 

Can't believe that Duncan is considering dipping Into the pot , its just like the glazers ! Do the job for free , or give it up there ate plenty of people who have had or are still doing similar roles , if I had known about this I would had actively campaigned against must becoming a jobs for the boys fund   xxxxxxxx

 

I am a little unsure about the use of interns by organisations of all kinds.   Interns are increasingly being used as a source of unpaid labour and irrespective of their desire to support a cause, it is important that young people are not exploited... especially in the current economic situation. So while I support the payment of the CEO and the appointment of the campaigns manager, I can not support the appointment of an unpaid intern. I would however support the appointment of an intern on a 'living wage' - a model that should be adopted by all.

 

If a professional footing is required for the dispensation of any of MUSTs objectives it is my belief that it should be contracted out to the the best service provider possible. Confusion between support for our cause and professionalism will lead to irrelevance at best and MUSTs downfall at worst.

 

A bit like the glazers then not so different hey ?

 

Huge well done to Duncan and the rest of the Board and all involved at MUST for sucess so far on a voluntary basis.

 

As long as people with an accounting background agree that MUST can afford the salaries involved

 

I believe this can be done voluntarily. I have offered to assist previously for free and have had no response. I am a corporate lawyer, and can do for free what you are suggesting paying someone for.

 

Yes but would someone with a high profile be better, eg ex player with VERY HIGH standing?  Thank You  Please keep up the good work  xxxxxxxxx

 

I feel this is a good idea, we need to move to the next level now and become even more of a profesional organisation,   regards xxxxxxxx

 

This pre-supposes that we have te funds to pay such employees.  I would hate for us to go into debt in order to pay someone who would cost us more than they generate.

 

I approve, but I'm concerned as to where the funds will come for the salaries. Will we have an increase in our annual fee as a result? If so, by how much?

 

I am just grateful there are individuals who have more time than i to dedicate to the cause we all care about.  No objection to paying if you feel it is justified.

 

In a world of committees and their changing make-up, views, objectives and priorities inevitably change, when the members change. From bitter experience, it is very important to ensure that these changes do not adversely affect paid staff. It is highly unfair to employ someone, only to dispense with their services shortly after when new board members decide to do things differently. Of course, boards must be free to pursue their own course, but any human cost must be minimised. Consequently, certain protection needs to be built into their terms of employment. Similarly, the organisation will not want to get a reputation for 'hire and fire'.

 

Should have been done in the past.  Keep the process of appointments/payments completely transparent at all times in keeping with the ethos of the organisation.

 

I Think we All should do this for free and dont let Money do The talking we are not like The glasers only Money hunters   If i have to pay for some employees i just A's Well pay for The glasers to  Thats my wiev

 

A good idea.

 

I would probably approve of the proposal if I knew how much remuneration is proposed.  A proposal which potentially places the organisation in financial jeopardy is not acceptable.

 

The MUST should have full time staff as we want to seriously challenge the machinery of Glazer. We need stay on course as this is a long marathon and will require the determination and  resource for this mission. However, the board should ensure the financial health of the organization and provide transparency in its dealing.  I am in full support.    xxxxxxxx

 

anyone who expects you to continue without paid help is crackers!

 

I think this is essential to attract and retain the right talented people for the job.

 

A serious organization, needs serious individuals who dedicate their time, the next step is to ensure we have those individuals

 

It's a no brainer but thanks for asking

 

These employees must be proven United supporters.

 

We need to hear more of what MUST is doing on a regular basis

 

I feel only KEY members should be paid.

 

A very good idea, Duncan needs to be retained in our organiseation.

 

dependent on the size of the salary of course

 

keep up the good work

 

We do need to be careful not to drain the funds that we are looking to use to get into the club. The people we take on should be self funding (should generate more cash than they are paid in salaries) as is usual in business. I would like to see further details of what the full time employees will be working on and how that contributes to our goals.  xxxxxxx  - Do not call this costs money, but do consider above and answer in general communications.

 

No problem with this proposal but when are we goinfg to up our campaign to oust the Glazers ? What is happening?We need some concrete  action at OT to deprive limit their fundsat the expemse of the teams.Our inability to really compete in the transfer market has really caught up over the last season or two. Where is our action plan to HURT GLAZERS???

 

So long as this is affordable.

 

If it it's affordable and will help the cause, it's a no brainer. Go for it and keep up the good work.    xxxxxx

 

How are the MUST going to fund this? Could this funding not be used towards buying share capital if and when it becomes available? Although reading the survey questions it looks like a decision has already been reached!

 

The salary for the positions should reflect the responsibilities of the posts and should not be performance linked . There should be no provision of a bonus package.    The posts(s) of work experience (intern) should carry a salary  to cover general expenses of say up to 10k a year. It would be unfair for anyone to work for nothing even in an exciting area as MUST. If the post is part time (uni student?) then the salary could be reduced slightly to cover travel and a contribution to general living expenses.

 

with reference to point 2 below I think MUST should pay a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. I find the idea of interns working for low or no pay unacceptable

 

I have no problems with certain people being paid a salary.  It is only fair now that the organisation has grown and the consequential workload has increased.

 

I feel this is going no where.  In hindsight as soon as we lost the 2500 vocal supporters to FC who were prepared to demonstrate and make life uncomfortable for the management we had lost.  I stopped going to United 3 years ago and have given up completely now after 35 years following them all over the country and Europe.I think the idea of MUST intially was good but a few green and gold scarves is not going to change anything.The only way this could be changed is by using the money donated to buy a supporters pub /club near the stadium to be used  as a focal point and way of passing on information and life needs to be made uncomforatable for the management of the club. MUST it seems to me is petrified of upsetting AF.

 

The MUST group was set up by volunteers to help the fans for the fans, it would be a great shame to start off paying people to do a job as that is all it would become "A job"

 

The Board of MUST has my full support in appointing a salaried CEO and I would recommend Mr Duncan Drasdo who has proven to be the ideal candidate for the position over the last 12 years. I Move.

 

How many paid hours will they [interns] be working. Is it a full time post as I assume in the case of our MUST CEO Duncan Drasdo.

 

Salaries will be disclosed to members but as a guide we anticipate that the basic salary will be lower than the average UK salary and certainly significantly lower than the average salary payable to a person with comparable responsibilities and qualifications.    As the once chairman of a UK voluntary organistion, do not feel the need to be too holier than though, as it were. Pay people what they are worth, and you will get them to do the job properly

 

I strongly suport this overdue  proposal, particularly regarding our CEO.    Appreciation (obviously not monetary) should also be shown to his wife who has given her amazing unstinting support.

 

Given the long term objective of assisting in the buy back of the club,such appointments must be reviewed regularly to ensure that they are self funding, and do not reduce our capital base.

 

Time to be professional.

 

I think more opportunities for members to volunteer their time and efforts should be established to help minimize any expansion of these types of positions. There are plenty who would help and want to help if we knew some of the needs and opportunities.

 

There is a limit to the volunteering capacity. With the vast membership and long term goal to get ownership of the club it makes sense to go down this road. Again if there are talented people willing to work for less than they might expect with a comparable organisation then this is admirable.  xxxxxxx

 

I do agree with this proposal with the emphasis on a results based bonus over and above the basic salary.  I am now retired but was a main board Managing Director paid on a salary + results based bonus and to me this is the fairest form of remuneration.

 

I think it only right and proper that Duncan is paid for his work; as you say, it is long overdue.

 

If you think its the best way forward to fight the cause i will vote with you to reach how goal.  xxxxxxxxx

 

excellent idea...to quote a certain Cameron [although he doesnt believe in it] ...We the UNITED family are in it together'.

 

No problems in taking this course of action as long as the salaries are reasonable. Anything in excess of £100K should be  sanctioned by the members, not the board.

 

however a tight control will be required on administrative costs and suggest the directors set a % target

 

I trust that the salaries will be "market rate" for the work done and not likely to cause embarrasment if they had to be justified at, for example, an AGM.

 

They should get well paid if the effort and reults are good.

 

Not sure it is going to make a difference to get paid employees, but Duncan definitivly deserves some kind of compencation.

 

I pledged money in preparation of supporting Man Utd in the event of the Glazers collapsing the club.  I did not intend for my money to be used to pay a wage.  Is this the beginning of a paid heirachal chain within MUST!!!!

 

We ought to be paying Duncan a reasonable amount - certainly a bigger basic salary than the average UK salary IMO. By all means, pay bonuses for  achieving certain targets - eg, size of membership - but surely MUST can afford a decent basic?

 

I know Duncan personally, but that does not cloud my judgement on this issue. He, or any other Red with the same intelligence and integrity as Duncan, deserves to be paid a living wage commensurate with the huge demands of the role. Give him what he is long overdue, even if that means upping the subscription to MUST. xxxxxx, Red since  '76.

 

This is an appointment to be welcomed.

 

No

 

if we are to continue with our aims then maybe a paid employee(s) will be the way ahead

Duncan yes......why are you suggesting a graduate [intern]?  Someone with brains, common sense and their feet on the terraces please.

 

If this is approved, it will signal the beginning of the end for MUST.  The costs associated with taking on paid employees (the number will grow rapidly from two or three) will cripple us and it is a fact of life that to get the best you have to pay the market rate and offer the chance of success.  This is not what I signed up for. We are a protest group. Once we begin to pay individuals to work on our behalf, we become no better than the present owners ..... and they have deeper pockets.

 

Wholehearted agreement - if we are to progress then this move is needed. Keep up the good work - if there is any justice in this world then the Americans will be ousted.  xxxxx  [But no need to cal!!]

 

Anything that helps us to become a more professional organisation, that is therefore taken more seriously by the outside world is to be welcomed

 

I feel it does not stand for MUST and we should not get into the slippery slopes like the Glasers.

 

Wrt CEO  I fully support this idea but am curious as to how this will affect membership fees.    Wrt Internship:  I am sceptical as to whether you will be able to recruit a graduate intern with the skills/experience that you want without being willing to pay "the going rate" for such an individual.  It may be that you have to compromise and get a newly qualified graduate with less experience if you would prefer to keep wages to a minimum, this may not actually benefit the campaign at all and may prove more of a hinderance.  The other problem with keeping wages below competitive level is that eventually the incumbent will want or have to move on in order to fund themselves going forward, therefore the process will have to begin all over again.  I would prefer MUST to invest more in wages to get the right person who is committed for a substantial period (5 years?) rather than try to keep costs down and risk having several different interns in that same period.  It may also be that you change the job title!

 

If practical, they [interns] should be paid at least the minimum wage.

 

why a graduate?

 

I'll go with your proposal and am assuming that you've all done your homework on the costs involved.

 

I agree as long as pay packets are fair, recruitment is fair and the employees earn their money in this difficult economic climate. I also feel that people willing to do the jobs for free should be used in preference and those paid must be strongly passionate about the cause.  xxxxxx - only call if you want to, I've nothing much to add!

 

Proposed remuneration packages should be made available to members prior to full approval.

 

The idea is sound, but there is a need for this to be self fianancing.

 

The question 1 above does not state  an employee but employee's question 2 says 1 graduate, but Q1 does not state A) on this occasion/date? & B) any tick box just could mean you have voted that MUST "could" take on any amount of staff as the member has voted to approve an unspecified amount (eg: employees) As long as this does not set a president, for the board to just add staff or extra staff whenever it wants, which will eat into "fans" donations, at XYZ's £'s - the funds wont last long.  Good Luck, but be more specific with your questions in future. God Bless MUFC.

 

about time, fantastic effort on voluntary basis, but paid employees will professionalize and take to a new level. Could also (reluctantly) offer consultancy services to other fan based organisations looking to match MUST, Scousers ETC

 

If we are to continue to be taken seriously, we MUST as a matter of urgency bring to the organisation the professionalism that can only be achieved by full-time professionals.  Long overdue. Full speed ahead. I, for one,  would be happy to pay an increased membership.    Well done.  xxxxxxx. Ireland.

 

Keep up the good work and thanks for all the unpaid word.

 

It is time we stopped trading on the goodwill of Duncan et al, in order to make sure we are ready to take advantage of any opportuinty that arises. All the best,  xxxxx

 

You could probably also do with appointing someone with legal/finance experience as well (probably at a later stage)... obviously the CEO and Digital Marketing posts are essential .. but if so, also need legal/finance back office to maximise the financial clout of their marketing drives. Although qualified in both, I'm not volunteering as I am fairly fully occupied with present and forthcoming grandchildren for the foreseeable future of about 3/4 years ... Happy New Year and keep up the good work.

 

This ought to get our organisation more professionally recognised.

 

On a trial basis to ensure progress is made. The profile of the organisation needs raising further and more positive results seen to keep people behind the cause. The last thing required is a further split of United fans.

 

Any way to enhance the work that MUST is doing has got to be a move forward.Keep up the good work.

 

It's long overdue. Any organisation with our scale of ambition and challenges must have the best people.     The best people do not, should not and cannot afford to, lend their talent to a cause pro bono for ever.

 

ABOUT TIME WE PAID FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK CARRIED OUT ON OUR BEHALF

 

I agree in principle with the proposal but would like to see the details of what the role entails plus what it's key and measurable objectives are.

 

I fully approve the proposal and would only ask that salaries are set and reviewed by the Board and/or remuneration sub-committee with decisions formally recorded.

 

I do not think salary should be disclosed to all membership only to Board and Remuneration Committee.

 

I must admit to having some reservations about this but as I've not done any voluntary work with MUST, who am I to say anything against paid staff???   My chief concern is that reserves of cash will surely diminish!

 

PAID C.E.O. IS FINE    SLAVE WAGE INTERN IS NOT ACCEPTABLE PAY A PROPER SALARY

 

You have given no idication of how this is to be funded. I cannot vote for the proposal without this knowledge

 

I entirely accept your reasons to take on these professionals.

 

reluctantly but at this stage cannot expect people to continue to give their time to the extent needed to progress

 

Strongly endorse Duncan Drasdo. He has been a tower of  strength to MUST. The idea of a graduate intern is good. The ideal person would be media savvy; skilled at IT applications and on-line messaging; and ...... a Man U lover!!!

 

It looks like the Glazers won't be leaving soon enough so having full time staff to keep the pressure on them is a good use of resources.

 

what needs to be done needs to be done

 

Whilst what has been acheived by MUST has been incredible you sooner or later reach a point that to take it on to the next level it may require  an amount of investment to give more drive (as say with a football club for example).  Whatever happens we must get the glazers out ASAP .  The impact that they have made on the infrasturcture of the club is now beginning to emerge as we see that monie's that could have been re-invested in the playing side youth and ground developement have been frittered away by the debt and their dubious ''expenses.'' Anybody who had the 'it will be OK' attitude whilst we continued to collect trophies are now seeing the devastation that 'they' have caused and whilst in the short term we have had a level of success, the manner has not been with the style and swagger you associate with Manchetser United Football Club.  Short term investment and glory do not count and United have never been soley about winning. It represents an institution that has standards that are required and if we are fortunate enough to have success then that is a by-product.    Keep the red flag flying .    xxxxxxxxx.    A happy New Year to all.

 

I think it was only a matter of time. You cannot expect members to carry on indefinately without some form of renumeration. I think MUSTs board have worked incredible hard so far for the love of the club. Many many thanks.

 

Whilst I still believe in the ultimate aim of fan ownership, I feel that MUST acts unprofessionally on a regular basis. Its communications regularly show intentional ignorance and sensationalism.

 

A "passion for the cause" is essential.

 

No more than Duncan deserves, he is a fabulous man for the cause

 

a huge thank you to all of you for defending the true interests of our club so valiantly.

 

Any employees of MUST should be on fixed term contracts with specific and challenging targets which, if not met, will result in termination of the contract without compensation. Staff on normal Contracts of Employment are exceedingly difficult to remove and staffing problems consume an inordinate amount of managerial time

 

I don't know how you've managed for so long without doing this!  I run a campaigning organisation, so I know how important it is to have high quality, committed and paid staff!  If you want to know which websites we advertise on, where we get great applicants, do get in touch on xxxxxxxxxx.

 

I do approve of the board's proposal to take on paid employees as I appreciate the effort involved.    I would like for there to be robust safeguards in terms of setting the level of pay to ensure it does not become excessive. I also feel it is important to assess the progress after say 3-6 months to ensure that taking on paid staff is having the required effect in terms of membership, incomes, etc.



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