Match report by united fan Paul James
Potential for MUFC allocation increase at Spurs thanks to co-operation between @MU_ST & @THSTOfficial : Item 4 here: bit.ly/1vzwY9e
Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust/THFC Police & Safety Forum Meeting
Minutes - Monday 9 June 2014 6.00pm-8.10pm
Sue Tilling, Safety Officer, THFC (ST)
Constable Steve Payne, Football Intelligence Officer, Metropolitan Police
Brian Awty, British Transport Police
Bob McIver, Head of Building Control, Haringey Council (BM) (HC)
Katrina Law, Secretary, THST (KL)
Martin Cloake, THST
Paul Head, THST
Suraj Sharma, THST
4. Man Utd allocation at White Hart Lane
- KL explained that THST operated in a way that was different to earlier iterations of the Trust in that we worked closely with other Trusts on issues that affected all of us. Coalition campaigning had been a big plus for THST last season. With this in mind, we’d agreed to raise the issue of the Manchester United allocation at White Hart Lane, on behalf of our counterparts at the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust
- THST campaigned hard against allocations for Spurs fans being reduced, particularly at the Emirates stadium, last season and we've also argued on a number of occasions that all fans should not be punished for the actions of a minority - so this approach has to apply to all fans across the board. We want to see all fans treated in the way we would expect to be treated
- Since 2009/10, MUFC fans have received c 1900 tickets for their Premier League matches at Tottenham – a reduction of c 1100 tickets on a standard allocation
- Various reasons have been given for this reduction including persistent standing in an upper tier, poor behaviour at the turnstiles at the 2012/13 match and bad behaviour at not only WHL but other PL grounds throughout the season
- KL asked ST of THFC and BM of HC to confirm the situation for 2014/2015
- It was confirmed MUFC fans would be monitored in the run up to the match at WHL and a decision would be made c 8 weeks in advance of the fixture
- There was an appetite to award a partial increase to MUFC providing there weren’t any major incidents in the run up
- BM of HC agreed to speak with MUST ahead of any decision being made on their allocation next season. MUST to make contact accordingly
- KL stressed the importance of engaging supporter groups in discussions such as these, where peer to peer influence can be a real factor and where fans can be formally represented and allowed to express their points of view
- It was agreed there was definitely an opportunity for dialogue here
- It was also stressed that this kind of decision was not solely about Man United. Any Club with any fans who behaved poorly at various grounds across the country would be monitored and allocations cut, if necessary
MUST has welcomed proposals to address J Stand enforced moves for the Singing Section (SS). If an SS was to go ahead our preference was not for it be in J stand and we opposed (publicly and in privately to the Club) the enforced relocation of J Standers.
However we also wanted to help to find a better solution in the event that the Club decision would not be reversed or paused. In response to our suggestion to pause the process we were told it would not be possible.
It is also important to note that the success or otherwise of the proposed solution depends on relative numbers who choose different options but the Club tell us they are confident this is possible.
Also worth adding at this point we've had more than enough splits in fanbase over various issues and singling out individuals is a distraction and counterproductive in terms of getting a better outcome now and in future. Fans need to be unified to maximise influence.
A few points to clarify still re: those J Standers who wish to stay in terms of whether they will (i) be in a Singing Section and (ii) allowed to stay in own seats and/or in main SS section if they wish to. Will get clarification as soon as possible.
Official Club summary note from Friday's Fans Forum re: the Singing Section
The concept of a Singing Section is a 5 year+ fan led initiative which the club has agreed to support and we will implement it from the start of next season.J is the best place for it based on Acoustic Engineer reports and after discounting all other options for practical reasons.As we’ve said in previous forum meetings (September minutes), inevitably some fans would have to be moved.Individual fans and the fan groups SEF, Fans United MUFC and Reclaim United were involved in the concept of a Singing Section but not the final decision regarding where it would be.
This was a club decision. It wasn't an easy decision as we are aware of the impact on long-standing fans and we are doing everything we can to respect the wishes and to listen to these fans.To that end we have attempted to contact every single ST holder in J stand and where we have made contact we have listened to their preferences.
We are confident we will be able to satisfy all their preferences – including those who want to stay and actively take part in the Singing Section.In recent weeks we have sought the input of MUST and IMUSA and we have carved out a section of J (to the far left of N2402 and closest to SAF Stand) for those existing STH's who have a strong desire to be in the Singing Section.
These fans need to understand that they are joining a Singing Section and the experience from next season will be different. The feedback on the development of this special section has been positive.There is a comprehensive compensation package for those in J Stand who have opted to move out of J – and many have already moved.
There is absolute commitment from the club to re-seat these J Standers as a priority in the best available seats once the renewal deadline is passed and we have more visibility on availability. (Being temporarily allocated North Stand Tier 3 is a way to create a holding place on the system not the only option).
Fans in J will all continue to be contacted individual by individual but they are encouraged to ring the TO so we can log their preference.
An update from MUST - Glazers at OT - Green & Gold, David Moyes bows out
So the Glazers will be making a rare appearance at Old Trafford tomorrow. If you're going to the match, make sure you welcome them with Green & Gold. Pick up a G&G scarf from the MUST Stall outside 18 Sir Matt Busby Way or mail order from www.MUSTShop.org
Absolutely bloody gorgeous Georgie!
The Magnificent 7s - limited edition prints - only 77 copies for each player will ever be produced, exclusively for MUST.
"When I'm gone people will forget all the rubbish and all that will be remembered will be the football. That'll do for me."
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David Moyes bows out but Glazers can't escape responsibility #1
A few MUST related interviews responding to this story:
MUST response to the dismissal of Manchester United manager David Moyes
VIDEO: Manchester Evening News: Manchester United Supporters Trust calls for club to be sold in the Reds' week from hell
The Glazer family have been blamed for the current crisis at Manchester United and told they must invest in the squad
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Click here to read what the MUST Lottery is raising money for and please ask your United friends to play it too
Play today and be entered into the April free new players draw for a signed Sir Bobby Charlton shirt
BBC: 'Red Knight' Jim O'Neill on Man Utd's business v sport dilemma
BBC: Red Knight, Paul Marshall, on Newsnight last night talking MUFC management, ownership and fans: